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Commission:  Evelyn and Severus by nanda16 Commission:  Evelyn and Severus by nanda16
Commission for: :iconladymacbeth1755:

Evelyn Teresa Black is her creation and She is in love with Severus Snape.. well, just a little more than this. x')) :heart:
They had some complications in their relationship so I wanted to draw them a little sad..
You can read more about this here: [link]

I hope you like it honey. : D
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janach Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It looks like their dog just died.

Or maybe their cat. Snape has no reason to be fond of dogs.
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JosieCarioca Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, they DO have a cat :XD: (Evelyn does, but still... ;P)
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janach Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'd forgotten about Evelyn's cat.

I confess I've not been following the Sev-Ev storyline, though I enjoy the drawings a great deal. I took a dislike to Evelyn early on, based on a personal matter. It bugged the heck out of me when Evelyn, young, strong, and able-bodied, virtually ordered Severus, whom she'd just met, to carry her bags for her.

I'm not young, strong, or able-bodied; I rarely ask anyone to carry something for me if there's any possible way I can manage it myself (such as sliding it along the floor or using a dolly); and when I do have to ask for help, I am extremely polite. In fact, I am downright humble. I wouldn't have asked my own brothers for help the way Evelyn asked Severus, whom she barely knew.

It's a very personal reason for disliking the character, and doesn't apply to anyone else, but it does mean I've been simply enjoying the art as art (a lot), rather than following the storyline. Not a criticism, just an explanation.
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JosieCarioca Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yep, Evelyn is bossy and pushy. She can also be a too expansive and occasionaly clueless, like in the scene you just mentioned, where she interpreted Severus returning her cat as him reaching out and trying to socialise then pretty much coerced him into carrying SOME of her bags, while she got others from the car, because two people=faster than one and she had many bags to unload. It wasnīt a matter of being able to carry them or not, just efficiency: "letīs get this inside faster, so we can sit down for a cup of tea" not "please carry this because I am not physically capable" Some would argue that Severus should have offered to carry the bags, anyways, particularly since he was being invited in for tea. (Personally if I see a person, able bodied or not, has more bags than hands to carry them, I would offer to help before being asked, but thatīs just me :XD:).

Furthermore, thereīs character background in play here: Evelyn is comes from a small village, from a close-knit, very informal Irish-Catholic family, a family thatīs rather large and varied in age, which means the whole, 'helping without even being asked' and 'doing things together' are a given: she grew up doing house chores for her parents and older relatives, has helped raising two nieces and has an elderly grandmother who often requires assistence. It can be argued that with that background she instinctively thinks people will be helpful and collaborative, because thatīs the way she herself does things(and Severus is not just any guy on the street, they are neighbours, which in her mind warrants a little mutual collaboration). In any case being bossy, pushy and excessively outgoing (to the point of being intrusive) are all VERY well stablished character flaws of Evelynīs. Because you know, characters need flaws as well as qualities. Evelyn just a normal woman who misjudged a social exchange (the whole exchange was indeed written to be on the side of awkward), while effectively trying to be nice. As it happens in real life all the time (donīt tell me youīve never been accidentaly rude or careless towards anybody, even while genuinely trying to be polite.)

Legitimate question (no snark here, I swear) do you ONLY read stories where all characters are completely polite (or polite according to your personal standards of politeness) and flawless? Because we all know Severus Snape is...well...not these things...so how would you bear reading him? Just curious, seriously. I love Snape and yet I hate a lot of things he did. Example of a pet-peeve: having been a teacher for a number of years, I was really not comfortable with the way he treated his students on several occasions, and if a colleague of mine had acted in a similar manner IRL Iīd be outraged.

That didnīt make me drop the HP series.

Just asking because you explicitly stated that THIS is whatīs keeping you from reading my stories(instead of, say, my lack of writing skils, or a storyline that you donīt like) , and it does boggle my mind a bit, that disliking a particular specific trait of a characterīs personality (because it happens to be a pet peeve of yours) would keep you from reading an entire story (it seems to me that applying this "rule" to all written material would leave most if not all of us readers with absolutely nothing to read), particularly when itīs a negative trait so innane like being accidentaly impolite in a particular scene.

With that being said, thanks you for the kind words about the artworks.:hug: The pictures are, of course,are more meaningful if one reads the story, but Iīm glad to know you enjoy them nonetheless. Iīm glad to know Iīve been creating a character that is at least visually appealing, even to somebody who doesnīt like it for the substance of it (which I admitely would prefer, but one canīt have it all, I guess :XD:), and Iīm looking foward to illustrating more (or rather having the time to illustrate more).

Sorry for the over-long answer, I just felt like I had to set the record straight as to some character development and character motivations that I (mistakenly) assumed would be obvious by now (at least for those actually reading the story, which is not your case, so I imagined some explanation was in order)
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janach Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You can't really expect me to say, "Yes, I only read stories about polite people." If I did, I wouldn't be a Sev-fan. The incident I cited happened to seriously rub me the wrong way for purely personal reasons, but I am annoyed by Evelyn's pushiness in general, especially since I identify strongly with Severus's sense of privacy. There's so much fanfic in the world that I don't feel I need to spend time reading about a character who annoys me. Who wants to be annoyed? I'm sure you don't want to be annoyed by having me read your stories and write endless complaining comments about your heroine. ;)
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JosieCarioca Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, youīre right. I canīt in good conscience expect you to read a story if you are so annoyed about the main character, and I surely donīt want to have this same exchange over and over again every time you leave a comment.

But you can also apreciate the fact that it also rubs me the wrong way when out of a story that has almost 20 chapters by now, you were so adamant about singling out a specific scene to justify you not reading it. Iīve been trying to create a character that is multidimensional, and while her pushiness is surely an important aspect of her (an aspect I created specifically to make her clash with Severusīsense of privacy, in case you havenīt noticed yet). To me it sounded more like "I donīt like this particular characteristic of her so I will ignore everything else", and you can surely appreciate how offensive that can be to a writer who is actually trying to create a complex character.

If you had said "I donīt like your writing style" or "This storyline is not interesting to me" or "Evelynīs personality and character history are not appealing to my tastes because of this or that reason" it might have come across as a fair and balanced opinion. The way you put it, it sounded more like nit-picking than actual criticism. Personal confession: I donīt comment on other peopleīs deviantions a lot. And thatīs because I like to think about what Iīm going to comment, how itīs going to be phrased, if my opinion and arguments are adequate, relevant and called for and how the artist will receive them. Thatīs why Iīd prefer that if you absolutely felt the need to leave a comment on material thatīs related to a character that you dislike from the get go it would be something more well-rounded than focusing on a single aspect of the character.

You seemed too intent on making it sound like Evelynīs pushiness (the one characterist of her you clearly state to dislike) somehow defines her entire character. The scene cited happened to be more of a faux pas on Evelynīs part (rather than her being puposely rude, as Severus himself is known to be) and you seem to have made it somehow emblematic of who she is as a character. And yes, Iīm aware this is not the only instance of Evelyn being pushy, but, and I cannot stress this enough, itīs a character flaw of hers, which is entirely ok to dislike (thatīs why itīs called a "flaw" because is a negative thing), but just donīt make it to be the only thing about her, particularly if you choose to ignore the character background that created that specific flaw, thatīs all I ask.

Finally, I can appreciate this is a matter of personal reasons(every person had their own "triggers" and I surely have my pet peeves due to personal experiences much like you and every other person does), and I respect that. I donīt know how far youīve read into the story that you couldnīt find a single redeeming quality to Evelyn that could outweight your annoyance about her pushiness, (or maybe this particular character just has no redeeming qualities at all in your eyes, which is also fine). But assuming you read enough to make an educated decision that you dislike her enough to just give up on the story, I will ask you to please stick to your decision. Try to avoid comments that, in a way, basicaly boil down to "this character annoys me and I must absolutely tell you this, and stress exactly why I refuse to read whatever you write that has this character in it" and then keep coming back to it. This is probably the third comment you made about how pushy Evelyn is. I got it, Evelyn is pushy. I agree, she is. Do you have to like that about her? No, absolutely not. Iīm her creator and I donīt like that about her either. Does this particular characteristic of her negates all there is to her as a character? I like to think not. Sheīs much more than just "pushy", but if thatīs all she is to you, itīs ok, I canīt tell you what to think or how to feel about a character. But to keep coming back to this just makes me think youīre trying to stir controvesy.

But if you absolutely MUST let me know just how much my character annoys you so much, as a matter of common courtesy: 1) do not do that by commenting on another personīs deviation (:iconnanda16: has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion, and Iīm already kicking myself for basically spamming her comment section), comment on my deviantions or profile, or send me a note 2) try to make in a way that doesnīt seem like youīre purposely trying to step on my toes.

Once again Iīve written an article, and I apologize in advance. I wonīt be upset if you chose to ignore the rant.
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janach Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The business with the bags was not the sole basis for it, but merely the one I could most easily specify. It's really a case of "I do not like thee, Dr Fell / The reason why I cannot tell, / But this I know and know full well, / I do not like thee, Dr Fell." I should never have mentioned it, but it just stuck in my mind. My apologies.
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JosieCarioca Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Read my previous answer. I KNOW it was not only the bag stuff.Iīve aknoledged your point of view and understand it. .

Donīt apologize for not liking my stories or characters. Itīs within your rights.

All I ask is: do not misrepresent my work because of one pet-peeve of yours and do not nag me endlessly about the one thing you dislike, even after I offered you reasons and context for it (three comments about how pushy Evelyn is enough, donīt you think?).
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nanda16 Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
haha, okay. x))
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ameraucanablues Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Quando eu vi isso ontem ā noite, eu quase tive um ataque do coraįão! Eu não conseguia parar de olhar para ele... meu Deus, essas expressões! E vocę dibujastes o corpo da Evelyn perfeito!

Muito precioso! :love: :heart: :faint: Como :iconladymacbeth1755: disse: "morri e fui pro céu."

Sério! As palavras falham-me aqui!
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